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Dog Whisperers and All Positive Trainers

Monday, November 16, 2009
By DogSaint

Dog Whisperers and All Positive trainers

I was planning to read a hundred year old training book but instead I am writing a dog training blog. My writing is inspired by a dog whispering type dog trainer and a famous all positive reinforcement trainer.

The Dog whisperer style of training
I know a few people who train much like the National Geographic Dog Whisperer. As I was talking with such a trainer recently several thing have come to light. As in seeing the light, you know that light bulb above the head insight one gets in a moment of inspiration. The light bulb insight may seem spontaneous but it probably had antecedents in the from deep thought and/or reflective social interaction. When talking to dog trainers I generally ask a lot of questions or point out inconsistencies, or discuss what is thought to be “the right way” to train a dog. With a dog whisperer style of training there are several areas of training theory to explore. To my understanding some of the main areas where dog whisperer training differs from other popular training styles is the use of dominance theory and aversive control. The main competing style of dog training considered by many to be “the right way” to train a dog are various all positive training styles. Some hallmarks of the dog whispering style of training include the use of dominance theory, wolf pack theory, copious amounts of exercise, and using aversives to control behavior. This trainer that I was talking to also uses a lot of positive reinforcement. Combining dog whispering and positive training would classify this style as a balanced type of training or what I call a mix training style.

What prompted this blog is that I am starting a new all positive dog training classes. As I discussed the merits of all positive training and its implications with this other trainer I am met with an interesting counter point. It seems that my intellectual companion has a desire to articulate his contempt for the hypocrisy of “all positive trainers.” Many dog whisperer type dog trainers work with aggressive dog. True to dog whispering this particular trainer works with a lot aggressive dogs. I believe in the language of whispering it’s said that he rehabilitates aggressive dogs. One of the complaints I hear communicated is that the all positive crowd or at least one of its leaders advocates just training puppies and condescendingly recommends referring the aggressive dogs to trainers who use aversives, specifically to dog whisperers. Now I’m not sure if the referrals are because they think the aversive using trainers will get bit or because working with aggressive dogs is not easy. My friend thinks that it’s because they cannot train or rehabilitate aggressive dogs.

The positive reinforcement style of training
It’s my belief that all positive trainers should be, well, positive. In the Taoist temple I studied at it was said that following the Tao is simple but it is not easy. The same can be said for training and teaching with all positive reinforcement.

I hold all positive trainers to a higher standard than other trainers. If all positive works so well then it will eventually be selected over other forms of training, without any force at all. However if it does not work better it will need the well crafted social engineering of cleverly disguised aversive control. If aversive control is needed for positive reinforcement to work then it becomes a mix style of training. I say this because dog training is not just about training the dog. Dog training also involves a human. Humans and dogs respond to many of the same rules of nature in similar ways. Why is all positive good for dogs but not for humans?

Edshu told me that I have an answer to my own question. It’s because we have close to total control over the dog’s environment. Controlling almost all aspects of the environment means we can choose what type of control we use. With people we have less control plus more competitive pressures. People therefore instinctively feel that they need to use more aversive control and aggression with other people.

The myths of pet dog training
Depending on who I am talking to I am either wearing a red had or a green hat. There are only a few people who will see them as being the same. I think I have a bit of Edshu living in me. Oh that is another topic – the power of myth.

Wait, perhaps it’s myth that’s really at the heart of the matter. Myth colors ones perception in subtle but powerful way. Often these shades of thought are so ingrained, so part of who we are we don’t even notice them. Nature has also played a big trick on humans by superstitiously reinforcing our favorite myths.

Now we are back to the realm of dog whispering. Could the dominance theory of dog training be a myth? Could dominance theory be true but not really based on wolf behavior? Could it be true that dominance theory has no place in dog training? Could all of these be true? Before you condemn me for thinking more than one answers right I would like to refer my blog reading friends to a famous thinker and psychologist, Abraham Malow. I remember Maslow indicating that truth, like art, can be a paradox.  While dog training involves science it’s also an art. I encourage people to discuss the scientific merits of dominance in dog training. Even if it proves that dominance as we understand it plays a smaller role in training than thought or even no role at all. It may also turn out that dominance is really one of the most important parts of a human dog relationship. There could also be other influences on behavior that determine the reinforcing or aversive effects of being dominated.

I think what we call dominance does play a role in dog training but that it’s not about wolves teaching other wolves to do something. However that does not mean that dominance does not get other wolves to do something. I have to admit I know next to nothing about wolf behavior. But I do enjoy watching feral and wild dogs. In feral dogs social rank does influence behavior. While social rank influences behavior it’s unlikely that dominant dogs deliberately teach lower ranking dogs to perform certain behaviors.

I will be discussing this more in the future,

Wishing you the Best in dog training and the best in life,
Andrew Ledford
The Dog Saint
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Irresponsible and Responsible Dog Owners

Thursday, November 12, 2009
By DogSaint

I want to comment on responsible dog stewardship. I was training with a client in a local park and a young girl with a German Shepherd Dog was acting very irresponsible.

This careless dog handling eventually led to social strife and a confrontation. The girl was with friends and did not watch or control her dog well. When the dog saw my small group it came running over. The loose dog was a little intimidating in that I locked onto the dog I was training with a stare and made a beeline straight to us.

If I did not know dogs I may have interpreted the running over as an attack charge, or at least a bluff charge. But to me it looked like a friendly running over to play charge. While the dog was disruptive and may have stresses the owner/handler I was working with, it was very friendly. I simply picked up the leash and returned the dog to its owner.

The annoying thing is, not five minutes later the dog came running up to us again. Finally the girl semi secured her dog but not long after this the dog charged up to a young child. One of the adults accompanying the child kicked at the dog and then things got interesting. One of the females in the child’s group got very aggressive and quite out of hand. She displayed very primitive behavior and the dog owner then became a bit defensive too. Fortunately the dog’s owner had a group of people with her and the aggressive girl had friend to stop her from committing an assault. After much posturing and ritualized verbal aggression (barking) the two groups separated.

The point is this whole altercation could have been avoided if the dog owner had been more responsible and secured the dog after the first incident with my group. I do not think there was a threat from this dog running out of control but other people did not read it that way. For many people any off leash dog running at them is a threat, especially fighting and protection dog breeds.

All of us with dogs must be considerate of other people who do not feel comfortable being around dogs. It‘s every dog owners responsibility to manage their dog’s behavior. Each and every one of us who own a dog can either promote social harmony or contribute to social conflict. We should not let our fun be someone else’s discomfort or worse, terror.

If dogs are not perceived as a problem or threat they will be given more and more privileges, and so too will their owners. The better dog owners behave the more freedom dogs will have.

Andrew Ledford
101-Dog-Training-Tips.com

Dog food information

Tuesday, November 10, 2009
By DogSaint

There is a new website about dog food http://rethinkdogfood.com/. Yes it is one of my websites. The site really just got up and running today so it is a bit rough around the edges. I was planning on starting it in March of this year, it took a bit longer than I planned. I still need to give it a good polishing, but it does finally have content. After I look at it tomorrow I will probably see where a few edits are needed. I tend to write late at night. Late night writing often produces typos. The site is now simply an overview and goes over dog food companies and a little about dog food economics and ultimately politics. In the future I will add some recipes for homemade dog foods and other interesting information.

Wishing you the best in dog training and in life
Andrew Ledford

Housebreaking and potty training

Friday, October 16, 2009
By DogSaint

Working with a new dog who needs to learn how to potty reliably on pads. While I do not like training dog to target potty pads, this dog does need to learn the potty pad targeting skill. At first it did not want to go when I was present but eventually it did. However it had been waiting so long that it had a very full bladder and bowels it started on the pads but then moved off the pads because there was just too much urine to stay in one place. Needles to say it peed all over the floor. What do you think I did? Did I punish the dog for peeing on the floor? No, of course not, I rewarded the dog for making a good effort. The next time is peed on the pads but defecated on the floor. What did I do? I rewarded it for peeing on the pads. The next time it hit the target straight on, and we will see how tomorrow goes.

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Sunday, October 4, 2009
By DogSaint

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Wishing you the best in dog training and the best in life
Andrew Ledford

 

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